Saturday, June 27, 2009

So Ald. Lyle did appear on Public Affairs once

Unfortunately there may not be any footage available, resources such as YouTube didn't exist back in 2004 and I first discovered PublicAffairs with Jeff Berkowitz thru their streaming page and they only go as far back as October 2005. Of course I don't remember when I found the streaming page, but I've been watching the show ever since. Although as of late I often watch the program on YouTube.

Anyway she appeared on Public Affairs taped on April 5th but aired on June 21, 2004 in a debate with Ald. Howard Brookins (our neighbor to the west in the 21st Ward) over whether or not a Wal-Mart should be allowed in the 21st. This excerpt is from the Public Affairs blog:
Berkowitz: So, can 2000- 3000 municipalities be wrong? Are these places wrong that have Wal-Mart? One of the largest companies in this country is wrong? Would you say that IBM was wrong? Microsoft was wrong? Are all of these companies wrong?

Ald. Lyle: Wal-Mart is definitely wrong. I will say that. And, municipalities also have done impact studies on Wal-Mart before they let them in. There is a whole slew of regulations and ordinances and big box ordinances that have been spurned as a result of Wal-Marts coming in. There have at least four studies in terms of the impact on small business and that is my concern. And all of those studies—

Berkowitz: Ald. Brookins?

Ald. Brookins: And I understand her concern. I really do. But, to say and draw this imaginary line when Wal-Mart--- I would argue that Wal-Mart already is in the City of Chicago. At Bedford Park, they are literally right across the street.
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Berkowitz: Businesses are not being put out of business?

Brookins: We would need to talk to Ald. Murphy, but that is not one of the things that he has said—that the Wal-Mart across the street from his ward has driven all of the businesses out of business. The other thing that I would like to say is that I don’t believe it is just Wal-Mart. I believe that it is big box retail, in general. Big Box retail would have the ability to—
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Berkowitz: Businesses are not being put out of business?

Brookins: We would need to talk to Ald. Murphy, but that is not one of the things that he has said—that the Wal-Mart across the street from his ward has driven all of the businesses out of business. The other thing that I would like to say is that I don’t believe it is just Wal-Mart. I believe that it is big box retail, in general. Big Box retail would have the ability to—
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Berkowitz: Are they going to give Ald. Lyle a call(?). Ald. Lyle, you would give them a chance?

Lyle: They came in to talk to Ald. Brookins. He invited me to the meeting.

Berkowitz: Do you have an open mind. Could you become persuaded that this is beneficial to his Ward and to your Ward?

Lyle: I have an open mind. I need to see (A) How many stores are they going to put in the City in terms of squeezing businesses. They are putting two on the South Side: One on 83rd and Stewart and one on 95th and Western. And that is real close to me. So, we need to talk.
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Berkowitz: You just want them to tell you?

Lyle: I would love to find out that they are going to do living wage.

Berkowitz: $10.00 or $11.00 per hour sounds like a living wage, doesn’t’ it.

Lyle: We need to see that.

Berkowitz: But, what about the people who want to work for $7.00 per hour; [Perhaps] it is their second job. [Or,] they are a teenager and it is their first job. You are pricing them out of the market. Is a person better off being unemployed at $11.00 per hour than employed at $6.00 per hour?

Lyle: But, that is not the issue.
I didn't post the full exchange but I got some of the relevant points. You should read more of this exchange and let me know what you got out of it!

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